Of khakis and cashmere Will J.Crew’s increasingly pricey, luxe goods leave customers behind?There are a lot of great conversation starters in this article! I will tackle a few, but feel free to chime in with your own observations.
By Michelle Ruiz
March 8, 2012
...Historically preppy catalog clothier JCrew, on the other hand, “is doing pretty much the opposite,” company president, executive creative director and somewhat self-anointed brand muse Jenna Lyons declared on a recent evening in her colorfully cluttered New York office.
While many designers are selling down in an attempt to appeal to the mass market, J.Crew is aiming up, introducing high-end “collection” items. The prices associated with such a brand elevation could come at a cost much steeper than a $1,398 turtleneck or $500 capris: core customers.
“[J.Crew is] having a hard time remembering that the rollneck sweater customer is what drives their revenue. The Fashion Week stuff is all fluff. Think about Ralph Lauren. Sure, he shows at Fashion Week and dresses some celebs and whatnot. However, his money comes from selling polo shirts at Belk’s in Arkansas,” said one J.Crew consultant, speaking on condition of anonymity, citing the company’s “crazy non-disclosure agreement.”
“The sort of ‘celeb factor’ of Jenna Lyons is a large part of what’s driving their rise in credibility. However, they’re in danger of alienating their loyal customers who think it’s audacious to charge $750 for a sequined skirt.”
The company has so far worked their Lyons-perfected high/low style — sequins with chambray, ski sweaters with stilettos — bringing in an estimated $1.7 billion in revenue last year, up 10 percent from 2010, the year the company went private during weak sales.
Mixing the brand’s newfound high-fashion profile with its tees-and-jeans heritage is a balancing act for J.Crew and Lyons, who signs off on children’s chinos for J.Crew’s May catalog in one breath (“Cute. Great. Yay!”) as she pores over a still-secret “special project” with Vogue/CFDA fashion fund winners Pamela Love, Creatures of the Wind and Joseph Altuzarra, Lyons’ personal friend.
...And J.Crew is almost certainly on the inside, having spread from shopping center to Lincoln Center, and phased out the whale-printed “critter pants” of yore, in favor of $325 “neon azalea”-colored cashmere sweatshirts.
Last month brought news of a collaboration with shoe deity Manolo Blahnik, who will do his signature “BB” pump a la J.Crew this fall, at his regular price of $595. Blahnik, however, told Vogue U.K. he had “no idea” he’d agreed to the much-blogged-about partnership, despite having sent 45 pairs of shoes to the company. “ Everyone was very surprised, Manolo included,” Lyons joked under her breath, with wide eyes and a grin, adding, “Just kidding. We are in a good place with them now. Everything’s OK.”
...But some of the company’s core customers aren’t drinking the high-fashion “Crew-lade,” as one commenter recently quipped on one of at least 13 blogs devoted to J.Crew. Alexis, the 30-something blogger behind J.Crew Aficionada, where superfans reference items by their catalog names, said her readers are growing increasingly heated over price hikes on staples like denim and cashmere (which another fan site claims has “been pilling”).
“There has been kind of a feeling that they’re turning away their existing customers for these new customers. Some of this stuff is astronomically priced and not very practical,” Alexis said. “Like, who are you creating those sequin pants for?”
Alexis’ coupon code-collecting customers, whom she described as a mix of urban professionals, moms and students, are miffed at so much as their favorite footwear topping the $100 mark.
Mike Vaccaro, an assistant vice president at Moody’s Investment Service who covers J.Crew, said prices have crept up, simply put, because, “They want to be a higher-quality, higher-end brand.”
That goal is mentioned in J.Crew’s latest annual report, which states that the company has “introduced limited edition ‘collection’ items such as hand-beaded skirts, which we believe elevates the overall perception of our brand.”
Lyons seems stung at mention of core customer backlash, explaining, hand over heart, that J.Crew doesn’t “just raise the prices arbitrarily.”
“We sort of, over time, tested the waters and I think when [customers] understand and believe in what we’re doing and can see the value, there’s no resistance,” she said, citing the more expensive Italian cashmere that she and J.Crew CEO Mickey Drexler introduced during the rebranding.
“We had to raise the price a little bit because we were offering a much different product than we’d offered before. We did that and we explained to the customer that this is a different level of quality and that’s why we’re charging more,” Lyons recalled. “We had a wonderful response from people.”
She may be seeing some of the customer response through neon azalea-colored glasses, though, as others complain that the queen of the high/low mix is losing touch with the “low” end. As an editor at a prominent fashion magazine put it, “My only gripe is that sometimes the clothes are so well styled in the catalog and online that it’s often a disappointment when you get in store — the quality doesn’t quite live up to how they made it look.”
The copy in J.Crew’s catalog and on their website focuses heavily on luxury imports like Italian leather, “Prince of Wales” wool and prints by Liberty of London, although only 9 percent of merchandise is sourced in Europe, compared to 87 percent in Asia, according to the company’s most recent annual report. J.Crew says the 9 percent figure doesn’t account for the sourcing of “raw materials,” a much higher number, they say, but that they do not disclose.
...“It’s nice to be able to say to somebody, ‘OK yes, that is a $2,000 snakeskin skirt but right next to it is a $180 cashmere sweater that you can buy. That skirt may be a little out of reach, but most of the stuff on the [Fashion Week] stage, is something that most people can buy,” she said.
...Lyons said the changes have only just begun at J.Crew. She said she’ll do anything except become “too predictable.”
“I don’t know, maybe we’ll sell cameras. Maybe we’ll sell cars,” she said, jovially. “Who knows?”
First, I want to say "thank you!" to Daily reporter Michelle Ruiz for including this one JCAs opinion on J.Crew. I had a lovely time chatting with her about J.Crew & their pricing.
Second, "a still-secret “special project” with Vogue/CFDA fashion fund winners Pamela Love, Creatures of the Wind and Joseph Altuzarra"? Tell me more J.Crew!
Third, I do have an issue with how J.Crew is portraying some of their price increases. In particular, Jenna's quote of "that J.Crew doesn’t 'just raise the prices arbitrarily.'" Perhaps a quick read of the "Price Increases {are you catching them all?}" post from this February would help her see, what we are seeing in some cases. Raising the price of the linen polka dot pullover from $75 in the store to $85 with the personal shopper seems kind of arbitrary to me.
The other related quote that made me think, "um, okay..." is the following: "We had to raise the price a little bit because we were offering a much different product than we’d offered before. We did that and we explained to the customer that this is a different level of quality and that’s why we’re charging more,” Lyons recalled. "We had a wonderful response from people.'" That could easily be true for some cases (like their ballet shoes which I think have gotten better), but not in all cases. For example, I personally do not understand how the same pair of Toothpick Jeans in Garment Dyed Twill are priced at $108 on one day, and hiked up to $125 the very next day. (That increase is more than "a little bit". About a 15% price increase there.) It would be better if J.Crew was just honest and said, "Hey guys, they are top-sellers and we clearly priced these wrong. The market is willing to pay more for them." I actually understand that argument.
Fourth, I would like to add my own two cents on J.Crew's strategy which is cited here: "Mike Vaccaro, an assistant vice president at Moody’s Investment Service who covers J.Crew, said prices have crept up, simply put, because, “They want to be a higher-quality, higher-end brand.”" I really do believe that this is J.Crew's strategy and so far I think that it is really working for them. J.Crew has high starting points and that does lend to the belief that they are offering superior products.
But what I mentioned to Michelle Ruiz in our conversation is that I am not sure if their merchandise is actually selling at those full-retail price points. When I visit the J.Crew stores in my area (which include some up-scale retail locations like Greenwich, CT), I do not often see customers buying at full price. Yet, when there is a sale, I can barely find parking outside or a dressing room to try stuff on. (I am looking at you shoppers in Greenwich, CT!) ;)
I know that if I wait a few weeks, I can get the item I am coveting on sale (and before the season I am suppose to wear it in starts). I think most customers at J.Crew know this. I think J.Crew knows this. So there is "no-harm" in pricing pieces at higher points if they will eventually bring it down to points where it does sell. And if there are those items that sell out quickly (like the Tillary Tote or the Heart Throb Blouse), then all the better for them.
Fifth, I want to restate that I love the brand. I mentioned that point several times in the interview (even referring it to the "bad boyfriend" analogy we use so often here!) They just keep making {pretty} things that I want. I walked into my local J.Crew yesterday to return an item and saw no fewer than five items that I immediately fell in love with. There is a reason I am obsessed with the brand. ;)
Lastly, this post seems kind of heavy for a Friday afternoon. So I want to end it with saying that I hope you all enjoy a lovely weekend! :)
What are your thoughts on the article? Any points or quotes that you found particularly intriguing? Anything you overly disagreed or agreed with? If so, please share! :)
Interesting article, not sure about their tees being the same price for the past 10 years though. I know some of the items that I purchased years ago were expensive at the time but they were quality items and have held up. I will not be buying $750 sequin skirts or sequin skirts in general not my lifestyle or age appropriate. I agree Alexis, there are some beautiful clothes that I have fallen in love with and others I am sure I have yet to meet and love. More importantly, I am so glad that you got interviewed and quoted Alexis that was wonderful.
ReplyDeleteThe section about the roll neck sweater customer made me smile and smh at the same time. I still own two sweaters with zippers down the side and they've held up every winter since I purchased them sometime around 1999. Can't say the same for some more recent items. I've pretty much sworn off purchasing items from the knits/tees section and I refuse to purchase anything full price. It's not worth the irritation of loose stitches and holes. With that said some pretty interesting points indeed, and despite the disgruntled undertone of my post, I still adore their brand. My wardrobe is about 90% J. Crew. lol!!! :D
ReplyDelete“We sort of, over time, tested the waters and I think when [customers] understand and believe in what we’re doing and can see the value, there’s no resistance,” - Jenna Lyons
ReplyDeleteNo resistance? You will from me in the fact that I'd rather have money left to spend on vacations, mortgage payments, food, electricity.
I'm sorry here people...the folks that fawn all over all things Jenna & her perspective. It's pushing me right out the door into the arms of anyone else.
Sure they don't "need" me to keep them afloat - I get that. I also get that they have been slowly squeezing me out & I've turned a blind eye to that. But enough already. Jenna - you are weird. You are turning JCrew into weird. You'll be like any other executive in due time - past your time. But I'll be long gone & pining for the good old days when JCrew had rolled neck sweaters.
LOL! Weird is right. And add in, confused. IMO, she's trying to be 2 different things under the J Crew label in order to appeal to that side of her that desires working for a high-end designer label. Because this is where she's landed (President) after many hard earned years with J Crew, she's tried to appeal to all of her desires. The concern it that it is at the expense of their core customer. If she thinks prices aren't hiked for quality far less superior than even 2008, she's not wearing this stuff. Quality has taken a serious nosedive while the prices have only been going up, up, up. It's time to get real, Jenna.
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ReplyDeleteI don't do high low, but I think the style is very inventive of Jenna and J.Crew.
ReplyDeleteStill, they are going to have to increase the quality in line with the price if they want to win my business from retailers such as Neiman's.
Also, I find their pricing strategy amateur. You don't see Apple launching the iPhone at one price, then increasing it a week later (on the same version) because it sold well. The really should gauge the price appropriately the first time and leave it for the same release.
That said, I still like J.Crew but it isn't and won't be the only retailer I shop.
I call bs on this statement:
ReplyDelete“We had to raise the price a little bit because we were offering a much different product than we’d offered before. We did that and we explained to the customer that this is a different level of quality and that’s why we’re charging more,” Lyons recalled.
Who says, "Yes, Jenna, I do mind paying $4 a gallon for gas, but it's ok if you increase your prices by as much as 15 percent because you're offering a different product."
Who is Jenna kidding?
That being said, I am glad Alexis was interviewed for the story to add a dash of customer perspective and realism to the story.
Like Alexis and other aficionadas, I have loved JCrew. But if, like Jenna says, we're only seeing the beginning of such changes, my love and my wallet can go elsewhere.
Maybe they should re-brand as the Emperor's New Clothes because there is some serious denial about what they actually sell versus their pr strategy.
ReplyDeleteIt's ok to be ambitious but be prepared to back up your prices with justifiable quality. I am looking for elbow patches for a sweater from 2005 that I feel very lucky not to have discarded. If J Crew had consistent or better quality ("Italian mills quality" - hah!), the normal thing to do would have been to buy a new sweater, even at a higher price, and not patch up my old one which - except for a bit of skin showing - looks pristine and is cozy and comfy as ever.
A company with a good salesperson but crappy product is inevitably going to go run into trouble at some point. You want to be H&M for the uber-wealthy? Go ahead.
Props, Alexis!
ReplyDeleteBut as to the influence of She Who Must Be Adored - well, every day I say goodbye a little. I attend a lot of lunches in restaurants and private clubs, a fair number of gala events, and (sigh) my share of office conferences. And I travel a lot. And yet, strangely, I have never wished for a snakeskin skirt. We may still be sipping at the Crewlade, but I wonder what SWMBA is drinking. Moke nailed it: Emperor's New Clothes.
LOL at the SWMBA! That pretty much sums it up in my opinion. Also agree with Moke re Emperor's New Clothes. So true.
Delete“We sort of, over time, tested the waters and I think when [customers] understand and believe in what we’re doing and can see the value, there’s no resistance,” - Jenna Lyons
ReplyDeleteNo resistance? I guess lower sales is a sign of no resistance. If they think they're pushing the level of quality of yesteryear they're out of touch. I literally laugh at that note about commitment to quality. Who are you trying to convince? JCrew, your customers aren't foolish when it comes to their money. So don't treat them as such. I guess our negative reactions didn't happen? Must be nice on cloud nine...
Sorry, but it is a blatant lie when she says that quality has gone up along with prices. We all know it has gone down. The last time J.Crew was consistently of good quality was probably 2007... 2008 was still pretty good but it really went downhill after that. A different level of quality, all right... just not in a good way.
ReplyDeleteThat's very much the truth - that quality as decreased...but yet many a blogger has said "meh, crappy quality, but I'll go ahead & buy it (either full price or on sale)". It's still a win-win for JCrew.
DeleteInteresting article! I'm glad others are noticing the same things that JCA'ers are, i.e. a decrease in quality and an increase in prices. On a side note, congratulations, Alexis, for being interviewed! I think that's amazing!
ReplyDeleteGreat job, Alexis! But - Yikes! Why are (most of) you so bitter? It's great for a clothing company to have "aspirational" pieces - that's exactly what Ralph Lauren has always done. Of course your "average" businesswoman/executive isn't going to wear a snakeskin skirt - that's not the point! The point is that when you see something like that in the catalog, it is a directional piece that signals snakeskin (or whatever) as something to look for as a fashion element in the coming season. I think Jenna is fabulous and inspirational- if you want a roll neck sweater, shop at LLBean.
ReplyDeletejcrew could go the way of ralph lauren and sell a variety of styles-- there is room in one label for fisherman sweaters AND sequin skirts, you know-- but nope, they choose to pander to the trend obsessed. jcrew is a mass-market mall retailer, not prada.
DeleteI so rarely comment but this article has compelled me to speak up:
ReplyDeleteIf Jenna wants to increase prices and hopefully brand stature that is one thing but do not insult me by saying quality is increasing. My jackie pullover is at the seamstress for the second time in two weeks, the first trip was before I even wore it as it completely unravelled. Before that my blythe was puckered at the seam and returned, the so few things are fully lined now days, saying quality is on the rise is pouring salt on my wounded wallet.
Congrats on the interview, Alexis!
ReplyDeleteI had quite a few good chuckles reading the entire article... thanks for posting this!
...did the Collection web feature just get updated? Or have I just been somewhere else? Saw the photoshoot on the J Crew blog and then went to the website...et voilá...new Collection feature. Kinda cool idea with the polaroids.
ReplyDeleteGreat article! I really do think the more "high fashion" direction j.Crew is going in is beautiful, just not the prices. I hope they don't get really out of control and get Club Monaco prices. At least I can still afford J.Crew at their sales <3
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This portrayal of Ms. Lyons depresses me. I've never been all that taken with her deification, but this article suggests that she hinges her worth, which is synonymous with J Crew's, on being 'inside.' (There are non-excerpted passages in the full article that discuss being 'inside' the industry.) The reporter makes clear that Ms. Lyons name drops even with her own employees. Further, the framing of the company as 'aspirational' again hints at Ms. Lyons' own strivings, which strike me as a keeping up with the Joneses dynamic given the emphasis placed on being 'inside.'
ReplyDeleteAs a professional myself, I understand and encourage ambition, esp in women. To my mind, though, the setting and achievement of goals brings satisfaction and confidence, a sense of being in the world that isn't about straining after the newest, latest, trendiest. Once one gains the confidence and perspective that go along with professional development--including the setbacks--one sees the hollowness of 'inside.'
I suppose I'm saying I'm more drawn to the compelling than the 'aspirational'. The former invites a lingering over, while the latter seems disposable, much like J Crew's recent offerings.
I have a wool rollneck from 1992 that's holding up just fine (and it's striped!) and I have never had to break out the sweater shaver. That's timeless quality. I would also pay full price for a sweater of that quality today but that doesn't happen too often. I think as other brands like Lands End continue to offer higher quality staples at better prices that J Crew might start seeing some sales differences. Maybe Jenna is the reason that people are willing to pay more and get less when it comes to some items, she's a symbol I guess, but I wonder sometimes if the brand is a business or her personal creative outlet. I am likely not buying a pair of J Crew Manolos but I can see why that might give her some personal and professional validation that would cause her to keep seeking out high profile partnerships in lieu of making my cashmere and wool piling free.
ReplyDeleteI don't love the tone of the article at all. The references to the whale critter pants, rolled neck sweaters, and coupon code collecting customers all made me cringe. J Crew's oldest and most loyal fan base isn't cheap or clueless about fashion, but I feel this article makes them sound that way.
ReplyDeleteMost of the posters on here continue to stress quality and J Crew still doesn't get the point. When that cashmere sweater looks tired after a few wearings, it isn't worth $180 and certainly does nothing to make me think the $700 skirt is worth its price. They can talk all they want to about quality and elevating the perception of the brand, but the actual products need to reflect this supposed commitment.
Like others, I have jcrew sweaters that are anywhere from 5-12 years old, and they have held up MUCH better than sweaters I have purchased the 2-3 years. It is offensive that this article makes it sound like jcrew's core customers are a bunch of spendthrifts. Things are constantly on sale because their current pricing is unreasonable for the quality of product. I would gladly pay full price for a sweater if I knew it wasn't going to pill like crazy, unravel and stretch out after being worn twice.
ReplyDeleteI have read all the responses to the post and appreciate them, at least most of them. I am noticing a very distinct difference in responses between two groups: Those who have loved and purchased J. Crew for many years and those who have just recently jumped on the Lyons bandwagon. For those of us who have been around for years we are entitled to remark on the diminishing quality of the product we so desperately want to love and it should not be seen as "bitter" by anyone who doesn't know what we are talking about. I believe the remarks about quality and prices MUST be made as a benefit for all, new shoppers and us vintaged J. Crew shoppers. Fashion is great yes, thanks to Jenna for bringing in a special zip to J. Crew, however, we used to have fashion AND quality. Sucks to have to give up one half of that, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteWell said! I too am a vintaged JCrew shopper & " back in the day" I don't recall having so many (if any) concerns with quality & workmanship. Nowadays - I'm suspect on every single article of clothing I buy from JCrew....even my never-fail Number 2 pencil skirts. I shouldnt have to doubt first & prove me wrong later but that's how it seems to be nowadays with JCrew. Bitter? LOL, no, not bitter - just disappointed.
DeleteI am very happy that Alexis got interviewed. She deserved more credit for what she brings to this community and I believe also to J.Crew brand. She has been snobbed out and ignored by J.Crew all too often. Some of Jenna's statements are slightly offensive to me, but her aspirational insecurities almost make me feel pity for her.
ReplyDeleteSince I don't want to hog the thread here I have put my ramblings on this subject as a separate post on my blog. Check it HERE if you are interested.
I've always admired J. Crew...for years and years, but I was too heavy to shop there. Then I lost 40 lbs. and last year I purchased an entire new wardrobe, 99% from the Crew. I spend thousands of dollars with them. I love the clothes, but tired quickly of the sales and markdown games. So for this year I have been really disappointed in their style, design, fabrics....I just don't see anything I really want so far. All I have bought is a pair of patterned cafe capris and a scarf. I'm thinking the Crew is appealing to another lady...one that wears neon sequin skirts and expensive high heals. That's not me. I just want classic comfortable styles but with some fun color and style. I hope the Crew listens and doesn't go the way of so many other retailers who got too trendy and too expensive.
ReplyDeleteNice job, Alexis.
ReplyDeleteJenna's comments validated some things for me about the direction J. Crew is headed. Does Jenna want her own label? With insider connections you would think she would leave JC behind instead of struggle to change a national chain stores image.
By the way, I would rather hear from merchandise planners on pricing history .
Anxiously awaiting the Fiscal 2011report. That will really shed some light on the direction.
Will you be able to read that, since JC is a private company?
DeleteRose: Oh dear of course I won't. I find snippets online occasionally and totally forgot about the private status.:(
DeleteStraycat, CONGRATULATIONS! I hope thé Crew CAN live up to YOUR aspirations!
ReplyDeleteNo critter pants you say, WTH are THESE?
ReplyDeleteOh those? Those aren't pants.
DeleteJust kiddin';)
"Tears" Too funny! Didn't notice those. Added to my sale *ahem* wish list ;) The matching scarf and swimsuit also!
DeleteAnd BTW, someone made the emperor's new clothes comment last year and it started a bit of a fight because someone took it as a personal insult and BAM!
ReplyDeleteI think the quality issue is key here: I won't recite the recurring issues but note that I bought the colorblock Ts at full price (one of each color plus another in a smaller size as a different styling option). They ALL have holes in the exact same place after maybe being worn 3 times each. While I can see it is at my belt line, my belts aren't snaggy and none of my other tunics or ts from other brands have holes. This isn't even "tissue" weight. At $45 each, I wasn't expecting disposable fashion. And the poster above who notes that when one item, a cashmere sweater as an example, is not high-quality, it undermines the aspiration items as one cannot really hope they are better quality. One factory making regular items and one making Collection items? I don't imagine so....
ReplyDeleteWell this article ticked me off and made me sad.
ReplyDeleteI have been preparing for a trip and have tried on most of my wardrobe in an attempt to come up with appropriate outfits. As a result I have looked closely at items I don't usually scrutinize. None of it is more than three years old. I have encountered holes, snags, pilling, unraveling, busted seams . . . and all of these items have had no more than light wear. Two cash sweaters from last year--each worn three times at most--have split and unraveled at the wrist seam. And I've had t-shirts arrive from WWFIFY with holes in the armpits just from someone trying it on at the store (not to mention the t-shirt I was wearing that sprouted an armpit hole within two hours of putting it on).
All this is to say I'm not stupid. I've done a lot of returns of JC stuff and instead bought what I needed from two other retailers, where the sale prices (and not final sale) were better and the quality is better, too.
I really hope they can turn this around.
Amy I agree, I also felt ticked off and sad when I read this. I couldn't even comment when I first read it as my initial gut feeling was that things aren't going to improve until Jenna leaves, and that is not a very nice thing to say.
DeleteTime to look to other brands . I bought a clothing item from the Kate Spade sample sale and it is so beautiful, I wore it last night and had loads of compliments, it is well-made, stylish and special (the faux-fur pullover). I used to go to our beloved crew for those items. :(
Dani, that is a gorgeous top, I'm so glad you love it! Atlantic-Pacific (on the blogroll) has it on in at least one post and it is TDF!
DeleteDesertFlower below has a point--JC's prices have made the sale prices of higher end brands look reasonable. I'm looking at Tory Burch now, which I never would have done--and 50% off her heels is less than you can get JC heels on sale--and they are better constructed, more comfortable, and come beautifully packaged to boot!
I second the comment below about sizing. As a 00 I can't fit into Talbots, LE, or LLBean signature. I have been very dependent on JC for dresses and bottoms in particular. If they could just make thing that don't fall apart I would be happy!
I agree that the quality of the items versus the price point and the pricing games are the problem. They are passing off poorly constructed pieces as high-end. I have been a loyal customer for 20 years and 99% of my wardrobe is JC. Over the last couple of years, the quality has seriously declined. It has gotten so bad that I often factor the cost of repairs into the purchase price. Why do I keep buying? I am very tall and they are the only retailer that carries a full line of stylish clothes and shoes- from professional to casual to special occasion- that fit me. I like having a one-stop shop for clothes and shoes. It saves me from having to shop around. But the quality issues and pricing games are starting to get to me and I've been looking elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteIn the past 6 months, I've had a lot of returns and repairs: Double serge wool No2- worn once before the back seam split; buttons fell off the hacking jacket after two wears; leather lining inside my Martina suede wedges cracked after fewer than 5 wears; Tillary Tote came with flaws in the leather on the handles; seams on Hillary dress came undone while I was trying it on in the store....
As far as the design goes, they can do no wrong in my book, but I am looking for some serious improvements in quality and pricing because I am tired of the games.
I was going to sit this convo out because I got so annoyed about the higher price, higher quality statement.
ReplyDeleteI'm an 8 year veteran to the Crew, drank the crewlade when I was in college and never regretted. The styles were classic but not like the classic my grandma would wear. And so, I think that feeling insulted about that statement is justifiable on my part. The quality is just not there today.
Like others here, I have items from 2003/04 to around 2007/08 that look so good you'd think that they were new. When I love my clothes too much, it shows, because I'm always wearing them. Quality is being able to wear your clothes more than a few times without having to resort to only wearing it at home. Most people don't dispose of their clothing after every season.
J. Crew is slowly losing me and it's not the prices, it's the drop in quality.
I am one of the newer J. Crew fans, so I can't say anything about declining quality, but I think their clothes are grossly overpriced sometimes.
ReplyDeleteMost of what I buy from J. Crew is marked more than 50% off - some as much as 85%.
If a collection item originally priced at $400 eventually sells for $60 (such as the Floral Long Swing Skirt), they should seriously consider lowering the original price points.
My wardrobe is 90% JC and Banana Republic. JC for my cardigans (Jackies and the occasional cashmere) and skirts (double serge and super 120s) and BR for my tops. I stopped buying tops at JC because they are generally not worth the price. BR's are better and cheaper and just as cute in my opinion. But for my money, I cannot find a cuter and better-fitting pencil skirt than at JC, and especially not with the same fashion-forward colour selection. Ditto with cardigans. I also find that if I stick to my cardi and pencil skirt staples I am generally not disappointed with the quality. So far those have held up for me. *knocks wood* There was a time when I bought EVERYTHING from JC, but declining quality + BR starting to ship to Canada ended that.
ReplyDeleteAlexis - go on girl! LOVED hearing your voice quoted in this debate. You can be my spokesperson any time! (:
Well, while I love this blog I have basically stopped shopping JCrew. My purchase have been declining the past year and a half to now basically nothing since before Christmas. I used to get huge $100-150 rewards cards for many years. Now they are nada. I just won't waste my money on clothing I don't LOVE and that LASTS. I shop elsewhere. Mainly, the first turn off was style change and then quality decline and now with the crazy price increases...Gone....
ReplyDeleteIs this the only top Jenna owns? Every picture I see of her she is wearing the same striped tee, it is not a ringing endorsement for other style of clothing J Crew sells.
ReplyDeleteI watch what I buy from JC I no longer buy their sweaters and t-shirts. Other retailers are having the same quality problems too, lululemon has risen their prices and they are spinning the same line as JC regarding quality, but Lulu cannot manufacture a bright colored run top that does not bleed in the wash.
Props, Alexis! And, I'm a "vintage" crew shopper and agree that it's not "bitterness," because here we all are everyday, loving the brand ... it's an awareness of the history of stunning prints, and gorgeous pipings and linings, and natural-fiber sweaters that outlasted several college majors for me lol.
ReplyDeleteTwo thoughts:
1) Clearly, Jenna has loftier aspirations beyond J. Crew and it will be interesting to see where that goes.
2) Loyal J. Crew customers buy on sale and look for coupons and codes because we are in the unique position of really knowing the value of J. Crew garments. The price/quality math doesn't work at $125 for toothpick denim, for example. The markdown velocity lately reflects the real math of value.
J. Crew needs to remember that it is not a luxury brand. If they want to start charging lux prices they need to have lux quality. JCrew quality is getting so bad that I won't pay full price for anything. I would rather miss out on something than paying more than it is worth.
ReplyDeleteAnd hey have been focusing on Jenna's style a bit too much. Someone at the company needs to reign Jenna in. The company image is too tied in to Jenna's image. What are they going to do if she leaves?
I agree SC, JC is not a luxury brand because luxury brands as a rule keep their customers coming back because they provide their customers with quality goods in exchange for the elevated price point. JC's quality has taken a steep nose drive and if Jenna can't see this, she needs to get her eyes checked. I know many will not like my saying this, but I am much more concerned about the brand if she stays.
DeleteAnd just because it comes from a Italian mill does not mean that it is top rate quality. I'm quite sure Italians buy cheap clothes too and they have to come from somewhere.
ReplyDeleteTotally. Read up on Prato, Italy.
Delete* BBC article
* BBC video - An ad may come on right away, so watch your speakers.
* NY Times
Spiegel.de - This link was posted awhile back by a JCA.
I was so excited when Jcrew came to Toronto last summer and I have bought a lot since then but I quickly learned not to buy anything FP and two Betsy sweaters developed holes within a few wears. Shoes are way overpriced. Most of my wardrobe used to be BR but I've noticed a decline in quality there too. They don't have many 100% merino sweaters there anymore either and are blatantly ripping off jcrew styles now. IMO BR started going downhill when their Creative director left for Kate Spade.
ReplyDeleteI'm a "vintage" JCrew shopper and all I can say is that I have no use for a pencil skirt....period. :p I don't want to see roll-neck sweaters return either, haha! I've noticed the change in style/quality over the years and have bought less and less in the last couple of years. I still love some of it, but they just have too many items lately that are either too boring or too dressy. I have no use for sequin pants/skirts, etc. I find myself shopping more at Madewell, GAP, Banana Republic, or Anthro for my clothes. I'm also disappointed in the quality of materials that JCrew uses lately. Their sweaters used to be %100 wool, cashmere, merino, etc. Now there is so much syththetic fiber everywhere. It is sad, although I notice a lot of synthetic stuff in other brands also, yuck. The price shouldn't bee that high for sweaters with Acrylic in them! At least at GAP/Banana you can pay less for the synthetic stuff since they always have sales, %30 off discounts, and rewards.
ReplyDeleteI've been getting better with pretty much ignoring these pretentious gibberish from my favorite mall retailer. Whenever I go to a store in Manhattan, the lines at the register are non-existent without a sale.
ReplyDeleteI am a 20 year veteran who actually worked at a store for 2 years after college. I remember those years (around 2000) fondly because the quality was unparalleled. I had a robin's egg blue cashmere cardigan that was so light and didn't have a single pill after 2 years. Wool gabardine trousers that lasted for 8 years! This is now mind boggling to me when I look at the current crop of products. Sorry, but I'm not a fool and I know what quality is and I'm willing to pay for it. I would be happy to buy it all at J. Crew, but if they won't deliver (and try to gloss it over) I will shop elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteI love J. Crew, but like most of you, the quality and even the style have been a little dull lately. Few people need a glittery skirt for $695. Even if you do, H&M/Forever21 has you covered since you probably don't need it more than once or twice anyway. I wish J. Crew can go a couple of years back when everything was spot on design, quality, and price-wise.
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ReplyDeleteOT: J. Crew just sent me a "We Wish We Had More..." email this morning from an item I ordered in November.....of 2010!
ReplyDeleteCongrats, Alexis on getting the recognition you so deserve. And for being the Voice of Reason. The quality issues are mentioned every week here and I feel that it's a slap to our (collective) faces when JC implies that the increase in price goes hand in hand with the increase in quality.
Actually, if we were to mince words, Jenna didn't specifically say that. Her quote: “We had to raise the price a little bit because we were offering a *much different* product than we’d offered before. We did that and we explained to the customer that this is a *different* level of quality and that’s why we’re charging more". I think those words may have been very carefully chosen...lesser quality product for more money?
I get the idea of working "high-brow" and "low-brow", but it seems like J Crew is suffering from an identity crisis. You can't really do high/low within the same store without ticking people off and it looking contrived somehow. The reason why Sharon Stone could do the Gap tops with the Valentino/Vera Wang skirts was because she was working it (and boy, did she!) in her own closet. I don't want to walk into a store looking for a tee, but feeling "less" than the person who is shopping for a Collection item. And I can guarantee, if someone is looking for Collection pieces, she probably doesn't want me in my tee and khakis schlepping my two kids around. The store in my town that offers Collection is still a regular JCrew, with a Collection section. I feel this kind aspirational marketing is somewhat obnoxious...It's like Elaine Benes says to George Costanza after he got a hairpiece and started treating a bald woman badly: "(Hello!) You're bald!!"
"J.Crew, you are still....J.Crew!!!"
(BTW, Gap, back in their heyday was the go-to place for basics, which is why I think someone like Ms. Stone, or anyone,could count on a decent quality black T-neck or white shirt. Why can't J. Crew just try...try to get back to fewer pieces done well - quality workmanship, quality materials? Small variations on the older, more successful seasons..I'd buy them full-price!)
I checked if Mickey was CEO at Gap during the Sharon Stone T thing. My search result: THIS. Found many parallels to JCrew. Eerie.
DeleteI wear high/low,(last week I actually wore my son's gucci shirt w/ a target skirt) and I still know that something is wrong in J.Crew land. If it is as hit and miss with J. Crew as with Target people aren't going to want to pay full price or purchase at all. I don't aspire to the J.Crew lifestyle unless it a classic, well made one. I just don't have a need to buy sequin harem pants at any price. Everyone forgets that they were sequin harem pants, make some sequin flat front pants and we can talk.
DeleteSorry, just one more thing and then I'll shut up - promise!
ReplyDeletePart of the issue is that I've forgotten what the "true" price of an item is anymore at J. Crew. I certainly don't pay $38 for a cute tissue tee, but I may pay $25 with 30% off. If that makes me cheap, so be it, but I imagine there are a lot of customers who don't pay full price at initial roll-out because in two weeks (sometimes less!) it's available in the sale section.
I would hope that their marketing team has figured out who their core customers are by now...maybe they feel safe enough with that fan base to move forward with this aspirational trend. They can - I'll just quietly sit in the corner at get the Sale Crumbs as they come.
I have been shopping at J. Crew for years. During the past 2 years I probably did not purchase one item from J. Crew-Why Boring and overpriced. I have purchased two of their suits this past month-but only because I received 20 percent off. Three hundred dollars for a blazer is expensive. That said I do like the quality of their suits. I will probably never buy another t-shirt from J. Crew-the quality stinks. I have t-shirts from the Gap that have lasted me years-without stretching out or the material wearing out and their being holes. When I had one t-shirt that started developing holes their attitude was bad luck. That is not customer service. I am not going into J. Crew-to find a $700 skirt and FYI when they have had such items-other women around me have also commented on the outrageous price. I do not consider J. Crew a luxury brand and am not going to pay those sorts of prices. I was in Benetton and their suit jackets were about $150 which is much more reasonable. If J. Crew wants to keep their customers they need to decide what the price point is and what the quality will be.
ReplyDeleteAt this point it's about more than just quality issues. It goes to trust. The brand is practicing doublespeak. The pricing games, items going to FS so quickly after release, sizing, and of course quality. There are so many examples large and small of JC just plain and simple not treating customers fairly. It all speaks of a brand that is not being honest with its customers - in fact, are treating us with contempt. I can think of no other retailer who could get away with this ... How much longer will JC be able to? It seems that while most of us want to love JC and give them the benefit of the doubt, how many of us could honestly say we trust them?
ReplyDeleteOn Thursday and Friday I wore two outfits to work that were composed almost entirely of J. Crew circa 2008. I bought a lot that F/W rollout and obviously it has held up well both in relevance, and to multiple wears, washes and dry cleanings. I continued to buy after that, but I realized when reading through all these comments that I haven't kept much since those salad days. I do still have J. Crew pieces and there is a garment or two that appeals to me each season. I may have done what J. Crew didn't intend for me to do when they started to raise prices and introduce "higher end" items - I've moved on to higher end retailers. All the big ones that carry designer clothes have great sales. I can pick up an Alexander Wang dress or a pair of YSL shoes on sale at prices that rival J. Crew full price, especially on collection items.
ReplyDeleteLike many of you here, I got to less expensive stores for fun trendy things, or for basics like tees.
At least in my case, J. Crew's decision to move into new territory has pushed me into new territory, and I'm shopping there now.
Great job with the interview, Alexis! Thanks for voicing the concerns about quality and pricing that the JCA community has been talking about for a while now. I have been a loyal JC customer for 20 years now (!!) but in the past couple years, the price/quality ratio has gotten to the point where I have started looking elsewhere for certain items. J. Crew at full price is now on a par with designer diffusion lines which have better quality to begin with.
ReplyDeleteI began giggling as soon as I started reading, because I knew I'd enjoy the comments from all the discerning JCAs who can see right through Jenna's hollow comments. Kudos to the author for finding out that only 9 % of the material is sourced to Europe.
ReplyDeleteI have yet to buy a single J.Crew item in 2012. I bought the tinsel tweed skirt in purple back in early December and promptly returned it because it was so chintzy. I didn't trust I could wear it without it falling apart. A few weeks later I bought a cashmere hoodie, price was $188. I had it on my dresser for a few weeks, it was such a pretty color, but then I pulled out a j.crew cashmere sweater I'd gotten on sale in Feb. of 2011 (so not a lot of wear) and it was in such bad shape, I returned the hoodie.
It's a good thing Alexis doesn't require proof of J.Crew purchases to post on this blog, or I'd be kicked out. I come here to get great styling ideas, but honestly, I do my shopping elsewhere.
J.Crew has lost its way, IMO. I bought a tee last October that I've already thrown out, it split a seam. I can buy better tees at Old Navy, for $10.
By the way: HAS anyone bought that $750 pink sequin skirt? Or the green one?
ReplyDeleteAlexis, this is great. I'm so glad you were tapped for input into this article. You did an excellent job.
ReplyDeleteThe quality really has tanked at J.Crew and that extends to the quality of their designs as well. I'm another who is quite bored with most of it, there's nothing really special about anything they've offered lately. Although I've never made J.Crew the majority of my wardrobe I have been buying less and less each month.
Regarding the quality of the product, my "do not buy from J.Crew" list is now quite extensive thanks to many negative first-hand experiences with their products. Fortunately, I don't have any trouble finding nice clothes elsewhere.
Even if I'm not shopping as much at J.Crew I still love the blogger community. It's always vibrant and fun, I hope that continues.
Alexis-Loved this article and was glad to see that you were interviewed for it as a blogger/customer.
ReplyDeleteJcrew you are not worth it. Reading these comments and looking over reviews for items I'm thinking of buying all tell the same story. Other companies are starting to do it better for less. I still adore Jcrew's color palette, but as soon as others tap into the dye market like the Crew they'll have to change or lose. I will buy more from the Crew as soon as they scale down and do what they did best. Pretty colored well made basics, not trying to compete with the luxe crowd.
JL/JCs attitude is the final nail in the coffin:
ReplyDeleteI took me a long time and some soul searching to realize how I got sucked into the JC want want want, must have, must shop cycle.
Trying to replicate the styling over and over, and the endless materialism that resulted was just not filling the 'hole' I (*and I suspect many others) was trying to fill. I have found that my self esteem is not associated with what I wear or how I look. At 5'5", 120Ib and a size 2 I have learned I can rock a lot more than my wardrobe!
I have only bought one item this year due to similar concerns that others have mentioned. I will cherish most of the classic pieces I bought up the end of 2009 (a ton that are holding up nicely). The JC catalogs are my styling tool for the items I already own.
*disclaimer: My opinion only, you are entitled to yours...
Great article, Alexis, I am so glad that JCA community had a chance to be heard through you. You voiced our affections and concerns so beautifully. We do love JCrew, that's the problem, and we want company to do well. We are the core and we haven't been treated right. I am always optimistic and hoping for positive changes to come through. If not, I am still going to enjoy the inspired styling JCrew has to offer, bu I can get similar items elsewhere (not necessarily cheaper, I do not mind paying more for a high quality designer merchandise) and use JCrew as "my perosnal stylist.":)
ReplyDeleteGreat job Alexis! Reading your quotes made me smile.
ReplyDeleteAs for the rest of the article...meh. I've been shopping at J.Crew for 15+ years, and I have ignored their collection pieces, anything that follows trends, and most of their "In Good Company" stuff for the entire time. I buy J.Crew because their clothes fit me and the colors are pretty. If the clothes stop fitting, I'll shop somewhere else. If the clothes keep falling apart after the second wear, I'll shop somewhere else.
And yeah, I got a little bit annoyed at all of the cheap shots that seemed to be aimed at J.Crew's loyal core clientele. "Har-har critter pants and roll-neck sweaters and coupon code-collecting, har-har-har"...just shut up. Anybody who wants to try to make me feel bad about not liking or being able to afford some $700 "of the moment" sequin skirt can go sit at the douchebag table.
Ditto Whitney! A company that makes fun of loyal customers for using the coupons THAT THEY THEMSELVES OFFER, and can't afford a $700 maybe wear twice skirt can go sit at the douchebag table. *sticks tongue out at Jcrew*
DeleteI never comment and just enjoy the articles on this site, but I have to say something here: I own Miu Miu sweaters, made in Italy and Jcrew sweaters, supposedly with Italian textiles, and while my Miu Miu sweaters look good as new (keeping in mind that I have four very young children and a house that I clean and care for myself) my JCrew sweaters look so tired and worn out. Not worth the money. I'd rather spend the money on cheapo quality with eyes wide open, knowing what I'm paying for. Jenna Lyons is delusional if she thinks her sweaters deserve the prices that she demands for them.
ReplyDeleteWow, wish I had time to post--congratulations for the recognition, and ITA with everything!
ReplyDeleteGood morning everyone! I have to say... thank you!!! Reading all your comments this morning was a real treat for me. There are so many well-thought out conversations about price, quality, and long-term customer perceptions that really showcase how savvy and smart the J.Crew customer really is. (Personally, I did not care for the portrayal of "coupon code-collecting customers" in the article. Oh well!)
ReplyDeleteIf J.Crew is reading this post (and they probably are), they should be taking a lot of notes! ;)
I am also glad to see that I was not the only one who found issues with some of Jenna's comments. Pretending that the quality/price concerns that have been raised are not there, does not help her or J.Crew. Pretending that customers both understand and are *happy* about price increases without matching quality, does not help her or J.Crew. However, honesty does. Even if it means saying J.Crew has to reduce the quality in materials because the cost of raw materials are rising or because they priced things wrong. (Although, Cleo said it best- J.Crew would be better off pricing things right from the get go like Apple does with their products.)
Lastly, thanks for all the nice words about this blog. This community is what drives this blog- so congrats all around! :)
I know the "bad boyfriend" meme is JCA legend, but I'll put it in another relationship context. One can get married out of pure love, but to STAY married, couples need to develop deep trust. And you have to demonstrate that trust rather than just talk about it. JC needs to stop conflating "made in Italy!" statements with actual quality.
ReplyDeleteI want to stay married to J Crew but they need to start acting like they want to stay married to me!
Alexis I have come back to read this article 3 times, and of course I've read all of the comments as well.
ReplyDeleteI linked to this article on my blog today as I have a review of the Carriage Coat Dress. This item was Collection and priced very high but I purchased it for less than half price, as I have most of my Collection items.
Jenna's words have really stuck with me, there is no denying quality is down on many basic items and she just seems so out of touch. They are a mall brand and they need to pay attention to their basics, that's why we shop there. If I buy a coat and the buttons break off after 2 weeks I'm done buying coats there. If my skirt seams split I'm done with those too.
I also believe that the typical JCA is a person who thinks pretty hard about their personal style, we don't need anyone telling us what "luxury" is. We have our own ideas around that. We just want to be well-dressed while we do the 800 things we all do every day.
I still love the brand but I'll be watching for reviews of quality very carefully before I commit to my next purchase.
J Crew was my favorite brand for years and now that I have a good job again I went in planning to totally rebuff my wardrobe. Then all the tops were over $100 and the pants near $200 ... for the same things I bought years ago. I loooove J Crew, but I'm planning on becoming a school teacher, and I just cannot afford it. A shame, I think, that they've outpaced loyal customers (I once had a personal shopper there ha!). Hopefully they'll come down a bit so I can buy my annual J Crew Velvet Jacket once again.
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